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[I] Northern Scotland [message #258623] Do, 20 April 2006 20:40
Brian Wakeling  
What can anyone tell me about living in/near Aviemore? There's a
well-paid techie job going at a resort near there, and I'm wondering
whether I should bother relocating all the way up there for maybe only
six months.

Thanks


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Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258651 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 00:16
Jenny Delaney  
Brian Wakeling wrote:
> What can anyone tell me about living in/near Aviemore? There's a
> well-paid techie job going at a resort near there, and I'm wondering
> whether I should bother relocating all the way up there for maybe only
> six months.

To the best of my knowledge: Aviemore is a bit of a pit. It's a tourist
trap and I suspect it suffers from what I call Fort William Syndrome -
it could be the nicest town in the British Isles and it would still look
like an armpit because it would Look Wrong where it is.

On the other hand, it's in one of the nicest bits of the UK, and it has
good communications. If you take the job, look at living outside the
town itself if you can (and have a car).

As far as moving goes, take only what you can fit in a car, and put the
rest in storage.

Personally, if I were offered the job and G. was offered one too and he
was up for moving, then I'd probably take it like a shot. And remember,
I have a horse I'd have to move as well...

Jenny
Re: Northern Scotland [message #258764 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 13:08
Phil  
Jenny Delaney wrote:
> Brian Wakeling wrote:
> > What can anyone tell me about living in/near Aviemore? There's a
> > well-paid techie job going at a resort near there, and I'm wondering
> > whether I should bother relocating all the way up there for maybe only
> > six months.
>
> It isn't the cheapest place in UK for cost of living. Against that if you are a climber, hill walker, horse rider, skier, golfer, fisherman, hang glider (make your own list) you have a first rate setting. Inverness is just a way up the road, nice civilized town. The weather is, well, look it up!

Phil
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258817 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 19:09
Brian Howlett  
On 21 Apr, Phil wrote:

[snip]

> Inverness is just a way up the road, nice civilized town.

I beg your pardon? This is a city, I'll have you know...

http://www.inverness-scotland.com/

> The weather is, well, look it up!

Currently sunny - very pleasant...
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Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258826 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 20:30
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Brian Howlett:

> On 21 Apr, Phil wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Inverness is just a way up the road, nice civilized town.
>
> I beg your pardon? This is a city, I'll have you know...
>
> http://www.inverness-scotland.com/

That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

"Check out what's on in this busy city - there's everything
you could imagine and more." Well, except a theatre, since
they unaccountably fail to mention that our single playhouse
will be closed until 2007.

And handy phrases in Gaelic! If anyone wants to try these the
next time they're in an Invernesian eatery, let me know how it
works out.

Actually, the tourist board cares so much about Gaelic that it
actually translated the daft slogan "*IN*verness, the city
*IN* the Highlands" directly, despite the fact this lost the
rather weak pun the whole thing was based on. (*IN*bhir Nis,
Cathair Baille *NA* Gaidhealtachd").

(I went on at some length, but my irritation with the council
and tourist board was starting to bore even me, so I deleted
most of it before sending.)

--
Dave
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Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258868 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 00:11
Sofia  
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:30:25 +0000, Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

>> I beg your pardon? This is a city, I'll have you know...
>>
>> http://www.inverness-scotland.com/
>
> That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.


Strange, I can't say I've ever been to Scotland, but Inverness looks
nothing like what I pictured it after living in London all my life. I
always pictured it a sort of massive mountaing & countryside area, with a
lot of sheep for haggis, and always snowing all over the poor lochness
monster! :-)

Ummm, I should imagine the Scottish Gaelic is probably extremely hard to
understand though, after all, even the Scotts speaking in English sound as
if they're speaking a different language. You might have to also pay out
extra money on employing a Scottish translator Brian! :-)


All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258870 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 00:21
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Sofia:

> Strange, I can't say I've ever been to Scotland, but
> Inverness looks nothing like what I pictured it after
> living in London all my life. I always pictured it a sort
> of massive mountaing & countryside area, with a lot of
> sheep for haggis, and always snowing all over the poor
> lochness monster! :-)

Well of course. And London's full of fog, jellied eel shops,
and narrow cobbbled streets through which Sherlock Holmes
chases Jack the Ripper, right?

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Dave
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"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258872 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 00:46
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Me:

> Also Sprach Sofia:
>
>> Strange, I can't say I've ever been to Scotland, but
>> Inverness looks nothing like what I pictured it after
>> living in London all my life. I always pictured it a sort
>> of massive mountaing & countryside area, with a lot of
>> sheep for haggis, and always snowing all over the poor
>> lochness monster! :-)
>
> Well of course. And London's full of fog, jellied eel
> shops, and narrow cobbbled streets through which Sherlock
> Holmes chases Jack the Ripper, right?

To be fair, actually, the photos on that website are a
remarkably unrepresentative view of what Inverness looks like,
anyway. More accurate than shots of a shopping-centre food hall
that looks like any other shopping-centre food hall might be
this picture of the High Street (although if it had been me, I'd
have moved slighly, so you could see the clock tower [rather
than the MacDonald's tower]):

http://www.high.st/inverness/

Or this postcard, which for some reason highlights the town's
ugliest building, but lets you see the castle and the
aforementioned clock tower behind it, and has a nice view of the
river, as well:

http://www.sbe.hw.ac.uk/staff/arthur/frbpc/april2005/images/ Inverness%20-%20The%20Highland%20Capital_jpg.jpg

--
Dave
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http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: Northern Scotland [message #258879 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 03:18
rja.carnegie  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
> To be fair, actually, the photos on that website are a
> remarkably unrepresentative view of what Inverness looks like,
> anyway. [better pictures]

Have you got one of the four and twenty virgins?
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258890 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 04:44
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach Brian Howlett:

>> http://www.inverness-scotland.com/
>
> That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

"It's in our nature to be friendly and helpful, and we enjoy the
craic - Gaelic for chat and light-hearted conversation."

As against:

"Craic/kraek/, n. colloq. a bloody good time (Irish)."
http://www.jimeoin.com/2004_shop_dvd_video.asp
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132907/

Does it have a different meaning in Scottish and Irish, or is one
translation just slightly more liberal than the other?

Adrian.
Re: Northern Scotland [message #258916 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 10:36
jester  
On 21 Apr 2006 18:18:52 -0700, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote:
>
>Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>
>> To be fair, actually, the photos on that website are a
>> remarkably unrepresentative view of what Inverness looks like,
>> anyway. [better pictures]
>
>Have you got one of the four and twenty virgins?

I didn't think they had photography ni the days when there /were/ that
many.

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Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258920 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 11:35
alec  
In article <e2c5br$b7j$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> > Also Sprach Brian Howlett:
>
> >> http://www.inverness-scotland.com/
> >
> > That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
>
> "It's in our nature to be friendly and helpful, and we enjoy the
> craic - Gaelic for chat and light-hearted conversation."
>
> As against:
>
> "Craic/kraek/, n. colloq. a bloody good time (Irish)."
> http://www.jimeoin.com/2004_shop_dvd_video.asp
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132907/
>
> Does it have a different meaning in Scottish and Irish, or is one
> translation just slightly more liberal than the other?

My understanding would be the former, with the overtones that it usually
takes place in a pub or bar and is therefore alcoholically lubricated,
though not to excess.

If you believe what publicists put out for a film, you will have a
confused, though interesting,. life.
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258927 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 13:24
sphira9343  
Robert Carnegie wrote:

> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> > To be fair, actually, the photos on that website are a
> > remarkably unrepresentative view of what Inverness looks like,
> > anyway. [better pictures]

> Have you got one of the four and twenty virgins?

"Four and twenty virgins came down from Inverness,
And when the ball was over they went back to Inverness,
As virgins..."

(Spitting Image, 'Clean Rugby Songs')

CCA
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #258956 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 18:41
Brian Howlett  
On 22 Apr, CCA wrote:

[snip]
>
> "Four and twenty virgins came down from Inverness,
> And when the ball was over they went back to Inverness,
> As virgins..."
>
[snip]
>
I haven't lost my virginity.

It's in a jar on the mantelpiece...
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Re: Northern Scotland [message #259090 ] So, 23 April 2006 16:47
Phil  
Apologies, apologies but nice and civilized are much more important to
most people than its status as town or city.

Phil
Re: [I] Northern Scotland [message #259377 ] Mo, 24 April 2006 17:53
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Alec Cawley wrote:
> dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> > Also Sprach Brian Howlett:
>>
>> >> http://www.inverness-scotland.com/
>> >
>> > That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
>>
>> "It's in our nature to be friendly and helpful, and we enjoy the
>> craic - Gaelic for chat and light-hearted conversation."
>>
>> As against:
>>
>> "Craic/kraek/, n. colloq. a bloody good time (Irish)."
>> http://www.jimeoin.com/2004_shop_dvd_video.asp
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132907/
>>
>> Does it have a different meaning in Scottish and Irish, or is one
>> translation just slightly more liberal than the other?
>
> My understanding would be the former, with the overtones that it usually
> takes place in a pub or bar and is therefore alcoholically lubricated,
> though not to excess.
>
> If you believe what publicists put out for a film, you will have a
> confused, though interesting,. life.

I enjoyed that particular film, by the way, but it's sort of enjoyable
without being very memorable.

The plot merely provides a place for the character humour to happen,
and the character humour (insofar as I remember it) centres around a
character who likes to have fun in a totally non-competitive "take
life as it comes" way (indeed really doesn't _get_ competitiveness),
and who becomes humorous against the backdrop of situations where you
*expect* people to be *extremely* competitive. One could probably say
that the character is to competitiveness what Rincewind is to heroism.

For example, early in the movie he's a contestant on a TV dating game
in which a girl asks male contestants questions and chooses a winner.
She asks what the contestants would do if they were to give her a
manicure. Most of them are *very* extravagent about the effort they
would go to to make her as comfortable and pampered as possible,
whereas our hero replies simply and matter-of-factly that he would
trim her nails and make sure she looked good before she went out.
There are other questions, and because our hero gives a similar
no-frills no-need-to-impress-anyone answer to each, he achieves very
little in the way of a score. But at the end of the game she picks him
anyway, purely on the grounds that she likes his (Irish) accent. And
so he wins his holiday.

As I said, he's arguably to competitiveness what Rincewind is to
heroism. Unlike Rincewind, however, he is neither a pessimist nor a
coward, and does indeed have a bloody good time.

That's the scene I remember best, but to be honest, there aren't a lot
of scenes I remember at all. I just remember finding it enjoyable and
that there was a lot of character humour but not so much plot.

Adrian.
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